I have followed all this over the years and remember that our goal was regime change, the removal of Sadaam Hussein. I’ll bet many Americans remember it as well. The removal of Sadaam was in accordance with the long standing
President Bush
State of the Union address
January 28, 2003
In the following quotes, there is no mention of removing nuclear weapons. It was universally understood at the time that Saadam was “trying to develop nuclear weapons”, but didn’t have them. We knew he had chemical and biological weapons and we found lots of them when we went into
I would have much greater respect for these politicians if they stood by their decisions and acknowledge that removing Sadaam was the reason we went to war and that was a good decision. Instead, they blame “faulty intelligence”. We did find a lot of WMD’s in
Bill Clinton, December 16, 1998 "The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.”--- Oval Office Speech
Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002 "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the
John Edwards, October 10, 2002 "Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to
Barack Obama October 2002 “Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.... The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him. But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the
Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002 "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."
Nancy Pelosi, October 10, 2002 "I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."
Harry Reid, October 9, 2002 "We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
Al Gore, September 23, 2002 "
John Kerry, March 17, 2003 "It is the duty of any president, in the final analysis, to defend this nation and dispel the security threat. Saddam Hussein has brought military action upon himself by refusing for 12 years to comply with the mandates of the United Nations. The brave and capable men and women of our armed forces and those who are with us will quickly, I know, remove him once and for all as a threat to his neighbors, to the world, and to his own people, and I support their doing so."
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I think saying that the 'formal reason for war was to remove Sadaam' is pretty much understood. Obviously that's going to be the end result. However the case made to the public on why we needed to remove him was his possession and development of WMD's. Would you not agree?
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld made the case over and over that the need to go to war with Iraq was because Sadaam had all these WMD's (including biological, chemical & nuclear), that Sadaam wasn't cooperating with the UN inspectors (even hiding materials and plans from them) and we needed to disarm him. Bush spent half of his 2003 state of the union address saying as much. Even on the first night of the war when he gave his speech from the oval office, he reiterated that Iraq had "weapons of mass murder." That was how they sold the public on the war - That Sadaam was this evil doer that had all these dangerous weapons and if you think 9/11 was bad, imagine what he could do or imagine what he could do if was in cahoots with Al Qaeda. He needed to be stopped. Which I agree is true - if he had them.
Of course Bush didn't act alone, everybody on both sides of the aisle was pretty much in agreement to go to war and they all believed the same misguided information (except for Obama - great quote from him by the way).
I've looked on the net about all the chemical and biological weapons we found, I couldn't find anything. Everything I read said that what we did find was degraded weapons that were 20 years old and did not point to an ongoing chemical weapons program. What's your source on your information?
I checked your sources link - all I could find was a bunch of quotes from Democrats, funny you'd think no Republicans wanted the war?
You wrote: “I've looked on the net about all the chemical and biological weapons we found, I couldn't find anything. Everything I read said that what we did find was degraded weapons that were 20 years old and did not point to an ongoing chemical weapons program. What's your source on your information?”
Here is the source on the WMD’s found and it is about 500 weapons and they were older grade.
http://www.mediaresearch.org/press/2006/press20060623.asp
It is true, 500 WMDs is a far cry from the “stockpiles” that we thought were there. But we did find some. So now the question is: do you believe Sadaam destroyed the more modern WMDs he developed after the Gulf War? OR did he have ample time to ship them to someplace like Syria during the 18 month “rush” to war?.
After the Gulf War, when Sadaam was supposed to have destroyed all WMDs, there is a mountain of evidence he had not done so, the Iraqis admitted as much:
“In the August 1995 revelations, the Iraqis admitted to weaponizing, and testing for weapons purposes, a wide range of agents. They declared that they had weaponized 6,500 liters (1,716 gallons) of anthrax and 10,000 liters (2,600 gallons) of botulinum toxin. In total quantity they had produced more than this, but this was the amount that they said filled in Al Hussein missile warheads and R400 free fall bombs. The total production quantities were reported as at least 19,000 liters (4,490 gallons) of botulinum toxin and 8,500 liters (2,210 gallons) of anthrax. In addition to these lethal agents, they reported that they had weaponized in the same delivery means the incapacitant aflatoxin (derived from a fungus) to a quantity of 1,580 liters (410 gallons) out of a total of 2,200 liters (572 gallons) produced. Among the range of agents they admitted to testing for weaponization are clostridium perfringens, ricin, viruses (including hemorrahagic conjunctivitis, rotavirus and camel pox). They also carried out work, including field trials, on a crop agent: wheat cover smut.”
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/1996/cbiac_apr96.htm
We knew he had them after the Gulf War. The Iraqis admitted to having them in 1995. They said they were all destroyed, but they couldn’t remember how much or where they were destroyed. ….Hmmmm? So what were we supposed to do? Take Sadaams word for it?
Remember, the inspectors left Iraq in 1998. We had no inspectors in Iraq for 4 years and inadequate verification that any of the WMDs listed above were destroyed, let alone what more could have been produced during that time.
Nowadays, most folks just forget about the details and wrap it all up and say the whole entire mess was all a big mistake and we should have stayed home like most of the other nations and let the Middle East take care of itself. OR, go another 12 years with the weapons inspector cat and mouse game leading to nowhere and accomplishing nothing except to buy time for Sadaam and the terrorist’s network. Maybe he didn’t have any weapons, but he had them after the Gulf War. Maybe he destroyed them all. But he had no records and didn’t know where the destruction occurred. If it was all a mistake, then why not cooperate? Why not open the doors and let the inspectors have full access. Was it ego? Was he afraid of losing face among other nations?
Perhaps, but his secrecy and the cat and mouse game was something we could no longer tolerate, especially not after 911. We simply could not take the chance any longer.
You wrote: “I checked your sources link - all I could find was a bunch of quotes from Democrats, funny you'd think no Republicans wanted the war?”
I cited Democrats because so many of them are backtracking and not taking responsibility for their vote. Many claim that it was a big mistake to support the war ---Clinton, Edwards, Kerry. I’m sure there were more Republicans that wanted to go to war than Democrats, but I don’t see them claiming the decision to go was a mistake. There is a difference. Many believe, (including me), that the way in which the war was executed HAS been a mistake. It was a big mistake for Bush to trust Rumsfeld and his smaller, faster, “cleaner” war that relied heavily on technology. And of course the gross underestimate of the difficulties with terrorist tactics after the war. But that is different than the original decision to remove Sadaam.
Wow, that's a lot to respond to. I'll keep it brief, you asked...
"do you believe Sadaam destroyed the more modern WMDs he developed after the Gulf War? OR did he have ample time to ship them to someplace like Syria during the 18 month “rush” to war?. "
I tend to think if he actually had them to begin with he would have used them. What was he saving them for - a bigger better war? He didn't have them. We were wrong.
I like the way Jason Campbell thinks! He's your Brother-In-Law?
ROFLMA!! I can just imagine family conversations around the table during the holidays. (Kind of like our house, I guess.)
:)
Monica Babin Muil
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