Saturday, January 19, 2008

For the Record

For years we have heard from those who vehemently oppose the war. About how there were no nukes found in Iraq and Bush single handedly led us into a misguided war. To hear the story now, one would assume Bush acted alone without congressional support and the only reason was to get rid of the nukes or that Sadaam was involved in 9/11. This is revisionist history and untrue. The rationale presented for the war by the Bush administration in every formal government statement about the war was the removal of Sadaam Hussein. It was not the destruction of WMDs, or the removal of nuclear weapons, or to get the 911 terrorists, or to kill Bin Laden.

I have followed all this over the years and remember that our goal was regime change, the removal of Sadaam Hussein. I’ll bet many Americans remember it as well. The removal of Sadaam was in accordance with the long standing US policy signed into law by President Clinton, viz the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act. That law stated US policy was the removal of Sadaam Hussein. this was long before 9/11 occurred. Clinton did not take action on the law that he created. Bush did.

"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option."

President Bush
State of the Union address
January 28, 2003

In the following quotes, there is no mention of removing nuclear weapons. It was universally understood at the time that Saadam was “trying to develop nuclear weapons”, but didn’t have them. We knew he had chemical and biological weapons and we found lots of them when we went into Iraq. Not one of the following quotes states that we need to find and remove nukes.

I would have much greater respect for these politicians if they stood by their decisions and acknowledge that removing Sadaam was the reason we went to war and that was a good decision. Instead, they blame “faulty intelligence”. We did find a lot of WMD’s in Iraq, both chemical and biological, but no nukes. But now what they say is that intelligence was faulty about nuclear weapons. They want us to believe that if they knew there were no nukes, they would not have supported the decision to go to war. Others state that no WMD’s were found at all. This is bullshit.

The notable exception is Barack Obama. He has opposed the war from the beginning. At least he is consistent. But I disagree with him. I stand by all the other Democrats in supporting the decision to remove Sadaam.

Bill Clinton, December 16, 1998 "The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.”--- Oval Office Speech

Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002 "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." –

John Edwards, October 10, 2002 "Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."

Barack Obama October 2002 “Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.... The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him. But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.”

Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002 "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."

Nancy Pelosi, October 10, 2002 "I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."

Harry Reid, October 9, 2002 "We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."

Al Gore, September 23, 2002 "Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

John Kerry, March 17, 2003 "It is the duty of any president, in the final analysis, to defend this nation and dispel the security threat. Saddam Hussein has brought military action upon himself by refusing for 12 years to comply with the mandates of the United Nations. The brave and capable men and women of our armed forces and those who are with us will quickly, I know, remove him once and for all as a threat to his neighbors, to the world, and to his own people, and I support their doing so."



Sources

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think saying that the 'formal reason for war was to remove Sadaam' is pretty much understood. Obviously that's going to be the end result. However the case made to the public on why we needed to remove him was his possession and development of WMD's. Would you not agree?

Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld made the case over and over that the need to go to war with Iraq was because Sadaam had all these WMD's (including biological, chemical & nuclear), that Sadaam wasn't cooperating with the UN inspectors (even hiding materials and plans from them) and we needed to disarm him. Bush spent half of his 2003 state of the union address saying as much. Even on the first night of the war when he gave his speech from the oval office, he reiterated that Iraq had "weapons of mass murder." That was how they sold the public on the war - That Sadaam was this evil doer that had all these dangerous weapons and if you think 9/11 was bad, imagine what he could do or imagine what he could do if was in cahoots with Al Qaeda. He needed to be stopped. Which I agree is true - if he had them.

Of course Bush didn't act alone, everybody on both sides of the aisle was pretty much in agreement to go to war and they all believed the same misguided information (except for Obama - great quote from him by the way).

I've looked on the net about all the chemical and biological weapons we found, I couldn't find anything. Everything I read said that what we did find was degraded weapons that were 20 years old and did not point to an ongoing chemical weapons program. What's your source on your information?
I checked your sources link - all I could find was a bunch of quotes from Democrats, funny you'd think no Republicans wanted the war?

Paul Babin said...

You wrote: “I've looked on the net about all the chemical and biological weapons we found, I couldn't find anything. Everything I read said that what we did find was degraded weapons that were 20 years old and did not point to an ongoing chemical weapons program. What's your source on your information?”

Here is the source on the WMD’s found and it is about 500 weapons and they were older grade.

http://www.mediaresearch.org/press/2006/press20060623.asp

It is true, 500 WMDs is a far cry from the “stockpiles” that we thought were there. But we did find some. So now the question is: do you believe Sadaam destroyed the more modern WMDs he developed after the Gulf War? OR did he have ample time to ship them to someplace like Syria during the 18 month “rush” to war?.

After the Gulf War, when Sadaam was supposed to have destroyed all WMDs, there is a mountain of evidence he had not done so, the Iraqis admitted as much:

“In the August 1995 revelations, the Iraqis admitted to weaponizing, and testing for weapons purposes, a wide range of agents. They declared that they had weaponized 6,500 liters (1,716 gallons) of anthrax and 10,000 liters (2,600 gallons) of botulinum toxin. In total quantity they had produced more than this, but this was the amount that they said filled in Al Hussein missile warheads and R400 free fall bombs. The total production quantities were reported as at least 19,000 liters (4,490 gallons) of botulinum toxin and 8,500 liters (2,210 gallons) of anthrax. In addition to these lethal agents, they reported that they had weaponized in the same delivery means the incapacitant aflatoxin (derived from a fungus) to a quantity of 1,580 liters (410 gallons) out of a total of 2,200 liters (572 gallons) produced. Among the range of agents they admitted to testing for weaponization are clostridium perfringens, ricin, viruses (including hemorrahagic conjunctivitis, rotavirus and camel pox). They also carried out work, including field trials, on a crop agent: wheat cover smut.”

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/1996/cbiac_apr96.htm

We knew he had them after the Gulf War. The Iraqis admitted to having them in 1995. They said they were all destroyed, but they couldn’t remember how much or where they were destroyed. ….Hmmmm? So what were we supposed to do? Take Sadaams word for it?

Remember, the inspectors left Iraq in 1998. We had no inspectors in Iraq for 4 years and inadequate verification that any of the WMDs listed above were destroyed, let alone what more could have been produced during that time.

Nowadays, most folks just forget about the details and wrap it all up and say the whole entire mess was all a big mistake and we should have stayed home like most of the other nations and let the Middle East take care of itself. OR, go another 12 years with the weapons inspector cat and mouse game leading to nowhere and accomplishing nothing except to buy time for Sadaam and the terrorist’s network. Maybe he didn’t have any weapons, but he had them after the Gulf War. Maybe he destroyed them all. But he had no records and didn’t know where the destruction occurred. If it was all a mistake, then why not cooperate? Why not open the doors and let the inspectors have full access. Was it ego? Was he afraid of losing face among other nations?

Perhaps, but his secrecy and the cat and mouse game was something we could no longer tolerate, especially not after 911. We simply could not take the chance any longer.




You wrote: “I checked your sources link - all I could find was a bunch of quotes from Democrats, funny you'd think no Republicans wanted the war?”

I cited Democrats because so many of them are backtracking and not taking responsibility for their vote. Many claim that it was a big mistake to support the war ---Clinton, Edwards, Kerry. I’m sure there were more Republicans that wanted to go to war than Democrats, but I don’t see them claiming the decision to go was a mistake. There is a difference. Many believe, (including me), that the way in which the war was executed HAS been a mistake. It was a big mistake for Bush to trust Rumsfeld and his smaller, faster, “cleaner” war that relied heavily on technology. And of course the gross underestimate of the difficulties with terrorist tactics after the war. But that is different than the original decision to remove Sadaam.

Anonymous said...

Wow, that's a lot to respond to. I'll keep it brief, you asked...

"do you believe Sadaam destroyed the more modern WMDs he developed after the Gulf War? OR did he have ample time to ship them to someplace like Syria during the 18 month “rush” to war?. "

I tend to think if he actually had them to begin with he would have used them. What was he saving them for - a bigger better war? He didn't have them. We were wrong.

Anonymous said...

I like the way Jason Campbell thinks! He's your Brother-In-Law?
ROFLMA!! I can just imagine family conversations around the table during the holidays. (Kind of like our house, I guess.)

:)

Monica Babin Muil

Who are we?

While visiting the flying W ranch during our Colorado trip, the following was printed on the back of our tickets. It is part of an essay by Dean Alfange. Alfange was an American statesman born in 1899. I liked it enough to add it here.

"I do not choose to be a common man. It is my right to be uncommon. I seek opportunity to develop whatever talents God gave me-----not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficience nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any earthly master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act for myself, to enjoy the benefit of my creations and to face the world boldly and say----'This, with God's help, I have done'. All this is what it means to be an American."

Jokes

A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person. The Republican gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his business for a job. He then took twenty dollars out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person.

The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. He then reached into the Republican's pocket and got out twenty dollars. He kept $15 for administrative fees and gave the homeless person five.
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Hillary Clinton goes to a primary school to
talk about the world. After her talk she offers question time. One little boy puts up his hand, and the Senator asks him for his name.

"Kenny." he replies

"And what is your question, Kenny?"

"I have three questions:

First --- whatever happened to your medical health care
plan?----Second - why would you run for President after your
husband shamed the office?----And third - whatever happened to all those things you took when you left the White House?"

Just then the bell rings for recess. Hillary informs the kiddies that they will continue after recess. When they resume Hillary says, "Okay where were we? Oh, that's right, question time. Who has a question?"

A different little boy puts his hand up; Hillary points
him out. "And what is your question?"
"I have two questions: First - why did the recess bell go off 20 minutes early?
And Second - what happened to Kenny?"

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Some sad news. Over the weekend President Bush's dog, Spot, passed away. The family flew the dog back to Texas and he was buried at the ranch - right next to 10,000 Al Gore ballots.
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"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —President George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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More Jokes

A young Chinese couple gets married. She's a virgin.
Truth be told, he is a virgin too, but she doesn't know that. On their wedding night, she cowers naked under the sheets as her husband undresses in the darkness.

He climbs into bed next to her and tries to be reassuring. "My darring," he whispers, "I know dis your firss time and you berry frighten. I pomise you, I give you anyting you want, I do anyting - juss anyting you want. You juss ask... so...
whatchu want?" he says, trying to sound experienced and worldly, which he hopes will impress her.

A thoughtful silence follows and he waits patiently (and eagerly) for her request. She eventually shyly whispers back, "I want to try someting I have heard about from other girls... Numbaa 69."

More thoughtful silence, this time from him.
Eventually, in a puzzled tone he asks, "You want garlic chicken with steam vegtable?"

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Pay Attention
First-year students at Texas A&M's Vet School were receiving their first anatomy class, with a real dead cow. They all gathered around the surgery table with the body covered with a white sheet.
The professor started the class by telling them, "In Vet Medicine it is necessary to have two important qualities as a doctor:

The first is that you not be disgusted by anything involving the animal body. For an example, the Professor pulled back the sheet, stuck his finger in the butt of the dead cow, withdrew it and stuck it in his mouth.

"Go ahead and do the same thing," he told his students. The students freaked out, hesitated for several minutes. But eventually took turns sticking a finger in the anal opening of the dead cow and sucking on it. When everyone finished, the Professor looked at them and said,

"The second most important quality is observation.


"I stuck in my middle finger and sucked my index finger."

"Now learn to pay attention.

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Boudreaux died and was on his way down to Hell. In anticipation, the Devil turned up the thermostat to make it extra warm for Boudreaux. When Boudreaux arrived, the Devil asked, "Hey Boudreaux, how do you like the heat down here?"

Boudreaux says, "Mais, it's just fine. It reminds me of Bayou PonPon in July."

That made the Devil mad. That night, he turned the thermostat up all the way it could go. Man it was hot! When Boudreaux woke up, the Devil asked him, "NOW how do you like it down here?"

Boudreaux says, "Mais, it's fine. It reminds me of August on Bayou Lafourche."

As you might expect, that made the Devil all the more mad. Well, that night, he turned the thermostat down all the way it could go! The whole place frosted over. Icicles started forming from the rafters. When Boudreaux woke up, the Devil asked him, "How you like it NOW, Boudreaux?"

Boudreaux, shivering, through blue lips, says, "Mais cher, I'm one happy Cajun!"

The Devil was infuriated! He yelled, "What do you mean you're one happy Cajun?!!!"

Boudreaux, still shivering says,"The Saints done won the Superbowl!!!"

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A religious man is on top of a roof during the Katrina flood. A man comes by in a boat and says "get in, get in!" The religous man replies, "No I have faith in God, he will grant me a miracle."

Later the water is up to his waist and another boat comes by and the guy tells him to get in again. He responds that he has faith in God and God will give him a miracle
.

With the water at chin high, a helicopter throws down a ladder and they tell him to get in. Mumbling with the water in his mouth, the religious man again turns down the help for the faith of God.

So the man drowns. He arrives at the gates of heaven with broken faith and says to Peter, “I thought God would grant me a miracle, but he let down." St. Peter chuckles and responds, "I don't know what you're complaining about
, we sent you two boats and a helicopter!"

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A couple drove down a country road for several miles, not saying a word. An earlier discussion had led to an argument and neither of them wanted to concede their position. As they passed a barnyard of mules, jackasses, and pigs, the wife asked sarcastically, "Relatives of yours?" "Yep," the husband replied, "in-laws."
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A man called home to his wife and said, "Honey I've been asked to go fishing with my boss & several of his friends. We'll be gone for a couple of days. This is a good opportunity for me to get that promotion I've been wanting, so could you please pack my clothes and set out my rod and fishing box? We're leaving from the office & I will swing by the house to pick my things up" "Oh! Please pack my new blue silk pajamas."

The wife thinks this sounds a bit fishy but being the good wife she is, did exactly what her husband asked. The following weekend he came home a little tired but otherwise looking good. The wife welcomed him home and asked if he caught many fish?

He said, "Yes! Lots of Specs, some Reds, and a few catfish. But why didn't you pack my new blue silk pajamas like I asked you to do?"

The wife replied, "I did. They're in your fishing box."


Abe Lincoln

Abraham Lincoln was a champion who never gave up. His perseverance is legendary. Lincoln was born dirt poor in a log cabin. His formal education consisted of perhaps 18 months of schooling from unofficial teachers. He was self-educated, studying every book he could borrow. He studied law books, took all the necessary tests, and became a lawyer without ever attending law school. Lincoln's road to the White House:

1816 His family was forced out of their home. He had to work to support them.

1831 Started a business but it failed.

1832 Ran for state legislature - lost.

1832 Lost his job – Applied to law school - rejected

1833 Started another business, it failed

1833 Became bankrupt.

1834 Ran for state legislature - won.

1835 Was engaged to be married, fiancée died.

1836 Had a nervous breakdown.

1838 Ran for Speaker of the State Legislature - defeated.

1840 Sought to become elector - defeated.

1842 Married Mary Todd Lincoln, had 4 sons. 3 out of 4 died before becoming adults

1843 Ran for Congress - lost.

1846 Ran for Congress again - won.

1848 Ran for re-election to Congress - lost.

1849 Sought to become land officer - rejected.

1854 Ran for Senate - lost.

1856 Sought the Vice-Presidential nomination – lost

1858 Ran for U.S. Senate again - lost.

1860 Elected president of the United States